Blake Griffin can’t reach his defensive potential

Is it okay to impose a limit on a player with seemingly limitless potential? People don’t react well to negative predictions, it seems on the verge of wishing ill. For the sake of honesty, I’m imposing one: Blake Griffin will never be a great defender. Perhaps good, perhaps passable, but more likely the latter than the former. I would even say “bad” has better odds than “good.” While we’re quick to dream upon Blake Griffin’s physical prowess, few speak to his one physical limitation. You see, the issue is that Griffin has stubby arms–for a power forward. While his 8′ 9″ standing reach is massive for a regular human, it is quite measly for his position.

Below, I’ve listed all the starting power forwards who’ve had their standing reaches recorded (I’ve added wingspans after the comma). The numbers probably shade even shorter than they should. Many of the larger, older PFs–guys who still play well in part due to their length–are from an era where reaches and wingspans were never measured. KG, Pau, and Dirk are drawn Stretch Armlongs whom we’ll never know the true measure of.

Reaches and Wing Spans of Starting PFs

Channing Frye: 9′ 2.5″, 7′ 2.5″

Chris Kaman: 9′ 2.5″, 6′ 11.75″

LaMarcus Aldridge: 9′ 2″, 7′ 4.75″

Elton Brand: 9′ 2″, 7′ 5.5″

Andrea Bargnani: 9′ 2″

Nene Hilario: 9′ 1″, 7′ 4.5″

Chris Bosh: 9′ 1″, 7′ 3.5″

Ersan Ilyasova: 9′ 1.5″, 7′ 1.25″

Carlos Boozer: 9′ 0.5, 7′ 2.25″

Amare Stoudemire: 9′ 0.5″, 7′ 1.75″

Josh Smith: 8′ 10.5″, 7′ 0″

David Lee 8′ 10.5″, 7′ 0″

Kris Humpries: 8′ 10.5″, 7′ 0.5″

Tyler Hansbourough: 8′ 10″, 6′ 11.5″

Trevor Booker: 8′ 10″, 6′ 9.75″

Kevin Love: 8′ 10″, 6′ 11.25″

Paul Millsap: 8′ 9.5″, 7′ 1.5″

Blake Griffin: 8′ 9″, 6′ 11.25″

Blake Griffin is dead last among standing reaches. He only bests Trevor Booker in wingspan, and Booker is really Andray Blatche’s backup. Shooting guard Dwyane Wade has a longer span than both. It is difficult to contest LaMarcus Aldridge’s shot with normal human features. This might explain why Blake averaged less than half a block per game in his rookie year.

This seems sadly objectifying, to make a man’s arm his glass ceiling. It’s also logical. A raised limb contests a shot. An outstretched one turns a passing lane into traffic going the other direction. Arms are important, arms and feet. A stout dude like Chuck Hayes can compensate for length-lack by laterally shuffling at a sprinter’s pace. Blake Griffin does not have this skill. I’m not sure if anyone but Chuck Hayes has this skill.

When Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard entered the draft, they shared similar physical attributes. Griffin was a half-inch shorter, eight pounds heavier. They jumped the same height on the “max” vertical leap, with Griffin besting Howard in the “no step” vertical by an inch and a half.

Those freaky mantis arms, though. Howard crests out at an incredible 9′ 3.5″ standing reach, 6.5  inches above his otherwise physical doppelganger. Dwight’s wingspan is more than five inches wider than Blake’s. This vast difference in limb length does much to determine why Howard is a center, and the best defender in all of hoops. Those shot-erasing arms stretch so far, far enough to reach into the opposing coach’s lockeroom, wiping those pretty plays from that colorful whiteboard. Blake’s arms are just long enough to pat himself on the back for incredible dunks that appear all the cooler because he flew farther to the target than Dwight would have to.

For some odd reason, reach is the purview of draftniks, but rarely spoken of outside the draft. I believe that we subconsciously internalize length as size or height. Often I hear that Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis are small guards, while PGs like Deron Williams and Derrick Rose are bigger. Curry and Ellis are taller than Williams and Rose, but Deron and Derrick have oak branches for limbs. At some level, the viewer takes note, makes a composite out of all the attributes. I think this is one reason why readers refused to believe my assertion that Dwight Howard is 6-9. The reach makes him seem so much larger.

I hate to be the bearer of Blake Griffin negativity, but it is only because I respect reach as meaningful, predictive. If we are to speak to his promise while citing his physique, why not make pessimistic extrapolations as well? Blake is great, he’s thrilling and charismatic. Just don’t expect him to be a defensive force. It’s likely out of arm’s length.

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Did you write this entireblog post so you could make the out of arms length joke?

G'day agenzia investigazioni, I'd have to choose Wall over Griffin there, for more overrated. Blake is still a magnificent offensive player, who can be one of the best players if he merely plays average D.

G'Day! Hoopspeak, In addition to your post I was wondering, Just wanting to see others' opinions, but to me it has got to be either Blake Griffin or John Wall, even though they are still young. Their overratings, in my opinion is likely just because of all the hype about how each of them are going to be Hall of Fame players. I'll go with Blake though, because there is so much hype there. He is a fun player to watch, because of his highlight plays, and with his size and speed, he defininitely has the potential to be a superstar, but right now, from everything I've seen, to me he just seems to be a human highlight reel right now. His defense, at times shows flashes of greatness, but most of the time, it seems he's not putting in much effort. He always gets his rebounds, but more often than any other player who averages 10+ rebounds per game, he can't box out his own man, or loses the ball immediately after getting the rebound. Another thing that I really just hate when watching him play, is his whinnnig. He's been in the league one year, and he gets away with a lot that other players wouldn't get away with in the paint (Just like all the popular players get away with this stuff), and when he does get called for something, occassionally something dirty, he acts like he is innocent and didn't do anything wrong. Then of course, there is the shooting. Now I know guys like Dwight Howard, can't shoot to save his life, however Dwight is practically perfect on the defensive end and in the rebounding game. He also can post up a little better than Blake. Now Blake is only a second year player, so obviously there is time for him to change and develope into a true superstar. But right now, I don't like what I see. The NBA rigged the dunk contest for him last year (I'm one of the many who refuse to watch another dunk contest ever again now), and the Clippers/Media have pampered him since he came into the league, like LeBron was. It seems he is letting the fame get to him and he is becoming spoiled, not a good sign for the Clippers. Sure, he is averaging a double-double, so what? At 6-11 I could average a double-double. I think he needs to realize his game is FAR from complete, and it just seems like he lacks some of the basic knowledges of basketball. Athletically, he is a beast, but at times, I find it hard to believe that he has played basketball his entire life. (I will probably get a lot of Clipper hate for this, lol) btw, I want to see him do well, I'm a huge Chris Paul fan and think CP3 deserves a championship What's your choice for most overrated player? Keep up the posts!

@EvanZ I didn't list Chuck because he's not starting, but you're right: Holy hell is he an outlier! You could look to Chuck as hope for Blake, but I wouldn't. Expect Griffin to play like Hayes, and you might as well expect Griffin's arms to grow. Also: Much as I love Chuck, he's not exactly an elite defender. He's a plus defense guy to be sure, but lateral movement can only get you so far.

Just for completeness, Ethan didn't list Chuck Hayes' reach which is 8'8.5". Dude is the definition of an outlier.

I don't think Griffin will ever be the DPOY, but there's no reason he can't be a great defender. Defense isn't all about blocks. Griffin just needs to learn proper defensive footwork and learn to use his frame to become immovable.. a la chuck hayes. Griffin's a freak of a competitor and he wants to go down as one of the greatest. I think he'll hear it all year, come back next season and make the 2nd team all defense.

@Ethan, Shields would be titillated if you spoke about how Blake could be a tough, body-up iso defender, but not a shotblocker, and then you not mention Chuck Hayes or Udonis Haslem. And then when someone mentions Chuck Hayes or Udonis you just go on saying that everyone copies everyone and you deliberately elected to not mention them. Also, I think Blake will be a good (not great) defender, if a worse shotblocker than Eric Bledsoe. Blake's strong, fast, agile, smart and one of the leaders/vocal communicators of the team, don't see why that can't turn into a good defender. You see him shut down Aldridge in Portland in the first half (before DeAndre switched onto Aldridge)? He was solid, moved his feet and forced Aldridge into difficult and/or compromising positions.

Well, he's practically got the same measurements as Kevin Love, another guy getting hassled for defense. But ya know what, if it means he can average 15 boards a game on top of 25 points a game...I'm cool with that. Defense is why DeAndre got paid.

I never noticed that about Griffin, and I pay close attention to standing reach and wingspan. Here's an easy way to think of it: You don't shoot a basketball or block a shot with the top of your head. You use your hands. Therefore, it matters how high and wide you can reach. You see mistakes made about height quite often. Wade was thought to be too short. Same was true for Elton Brand and Millsap. But they all have long arms. JaVale McGee probably has the highest reach out of any player right now. 9' 6.5". That's how he can dunk on two rims. I think Yao Ming's was 9' 8". I'm not sure what Bynum's is though.

@Beckley- David Shields would be titillated and you damn well know it.

@JC It's a game of inches, a small difference makes a big difference. Also, as previously noted, the lack of older guys skews the averages down, not up. Imagine if KG, Pau and Dirk were included?

Based on those numbers, Blake's reach and wingspan are 2.75% and 2.61% shorter than average. Again, this only uses the numbers you provided, which is a small sample size (drink). If we had a complete data base of wingspans, this exercise would be much more valuable. I'd wager Blake's apathy on defense is more predictive of his future than his hampered reach.

On a serious note, Blake was 6th last year in total RB% and his currently 11th this year (not as good obviously). But the fact is, Blake can be a force on the boards despite his limited reach, so there is no reason to think he can't defend well too. Your point makes sense, but in this league, hard work and dedication to learning is always more important that 5 or 6 inches of reach. This might not be true of shot-blocking, but of quality defense beyond swatting the ball, I think Blake can be almost as good as he wants to be on D. I think the bigger issue is that with Blake's short arms, he'll never reach his dunking potential. Imagine if the ball was 6-nches higher than it already is for all of his dunks!

@Pete Thanks for the nice words. I don't think we can have "reach liars" like we do with height. Thankfully we don't allow an "in gloves" measure of subjectivity that would screw that one up.

@Beckley Just for this snippiness, I'm passive aggressively not reading your Ray Allen post! I don't think we disagree re: Haslem. Griffin CAN be capable, as Udonis is. I just think he's precluded from being any kind of defensive force, due to the arms. It's also true that he's currently compounding the arm issue with bad practices.

@Ethan- Stop objectifying these players, Ethan. Dave Shields would be horrified.

undahpresha: Just because good reach is required to be a good defender, doesn't mean everybody with good reach IS a good defender. Necessary is not equal to sufficient. Your comment is invalid.

It would be interesting to see how much standing reach changes as a player grows (18-24 years old), and whether standing reach/wingspan growth also correlates with improved defensive performance (and how much) for a player over his career. Also, what are the chances we have "reach liars" much like we have "height liars"? I mean, height is the glamor stat and the one that lay people pay attention to, so maybe reach statistics are much more reliable? Intersting article and as always, love the colorful metaphors and analogies.

Wait, you're discussing Blake Griffin's possibly not "achieving his defensive potential" and your basis for this is his wingspan or lack thereof but in your list you included Amare Stoudemire? Swatting the ball into the stands make for great highlight clips but really its more valuable if a player hustles like Blake does and is able to corral the ball. Lately, Blake has shown that he's willing to get on the floor and get grimy. Meanwhile last night Amare had TWO rebounds...a guy with his size, in that position and yes that wingspan should average 8 - 10 wouldn't you say? Your article is invalid.

Really interesting post! I always thought Blake's arms looked a little short, but I never knew the numbers. Theoretically, I think Blake could still become a good defender by doing the basics. But, I do agree that he'll never be a shot-blocking monster. In fact, I'm not even certain that he'll become a good defender. Somehow, I don't see that in him, at least for the time being.

Agree with Evan, it's not all about reach. And yes, Udoh's span mitigates the reach issue. Instincts are important as well (Look at Josh Smith: Short, moderate reach/span, but an incredible defender). In response to Beckley: I agree that Griffin could become a Haslem-type (Udonis has a taller reach, span), but I don't believe that this kind of player is that impacting on defense.

@Ethan- Udonis isn't an incredible defender, but he is very capable. But he's been well-coached for about 8 years. I'm not sure a .5 advantage in wingspan matters... but it certainly does when Griffin stands with his hands at his sides like he sometimes does. Aside from just being long, so many defenders make themselves smaller by failing to stretch out as wide as possible with their hands when off the ball.

Beckley, coaching matters too. VDN is not the right coach to have if a player is hoping to reach their defensive potential.

I don't see any reason why Blake Griffin can't be as good of a defender as a guy like Udonis Haslem. I think the greater issue for Griffin right now is that he's so focused on developing his offensive game and he simply hasn't given the same amount of attention to the other side of the ball. That part is tricky--how do you train in the offseason to be a better defender? There are drills, but it takes a ton of film and situational study...or a great defensive coach during the season. Still, with greater anticipation, Griffin can be a charge-taking machine and his feet should make him a killer on ball defender for stretch fours and non-LaMarcus Aldridges. With a guy like DeAndre Jordan flanking him and cleaning up the mess, Blake's feet should be more than enough to make up for his notable deficit in arm length.

Not to mention Biyombo, who is nominally 6'8", but has a 9'3" standing reach. It's not all about reach though. Ekpe Udoh has a 8'10.5" reach which is apparently the same as David Lee. His "functional" reach is probably much longer though with his long wingspan (7'4") allowing him to block balls before they reach their maximal height. Anyway, this is all to say that Blake can obviously jump through the gym, and if he combines that athletic ability with good timing, and takes advantage of his strength to prevent players from getting good position, he should be able to be at least an average or good man defender. He might never be a good help defender, though, which is the mark of an elite player on that end of the floor.

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