A response to Brian Phillips’ open letter to Sonics fans

Grantland’s Brian Phillips is one of the most eloquent sportswriters around, and Friday he used his graceful control of language to take on a mighty delicate topic: the complicated, tense relationship between Seattle Sonics fans and Oklahoma City Thunder fans. This is my response.

Dear Brian (and other sympathetic Oklahomans):

Thanks for writing! It was really nice to hear from you, even under these awkward circumstances.

I must say: as a Sonics survivor, I winced through whole paragraphs of your thoughtful letter. My eyes wanted to jump ahead rather than face your calm, generous words about the facts of our “shared” franchise.

And while I do appreciate the sentiment, there’s little comfort in knowing the franchise, in so much as it remains at all connected to the Sonics, is in great hands.

I’m more interested in how you address a really tough issue: how does one, in good conscience, invest time, energy or emotion in the NBA (as opposed to only your team) as a corporation — one that trades on our love of community, our childhoods, or the sport itself. As Ethan Strauss put it: for the NBA to be good business, it has to be more than a business.

This, as you seem to intuit, is one of the reasons we felt so raw and exposed when the Sonics departed. Seattle fans were forced to contemplate not only the treachery we felt helpless to prevent, but that all our fond memories were drained of value by the final reveal: we had been duped.

Not by Clay Bennett, but, in a way, by all the good times.

You liken our occasional and upsetting intrusions in your Thunder superfunfriend times to those unsettling horror film flashes of a scary dead girl in the background. I love this, because the metaphor holds for our purposes too; watching the Supes leave was like being Bruce Willis at the end of Sixth Sense — we now understood that we’d been dead the entire time. It laid bare the whole illusion of professional sports.

That Clay Bennett could move a team to a city that would never be able to support a team like Seattle only made it much, much worse. There are more than twice as many people in Washington as in Oklahoma. Seattle’s TV Market, the metric that will increasingly determine how much money an NBA team can make, is two and half times bigger than Oklahoma City’s. By definition, whatever joy was created in Oklahoma was less widespread and widely felt than the pain in Seattle.

And because it made no objective business sense in the long term, the move was (correctly) interpreted as Bennett, Aubrey McClendon and others simply taking because they could.

You are correct, all us sports fans are linked in knowing that we are eternally at the whim of powers greater than we can influence. But I think you also understand acknowledging that (sports) death connects us all is different than not having a pulse.

You see us with greasy, clumped hair and pale, green skin, surprising you in the mirror. But we still can’t even hear “Thunder” without reflexively thinking “Sonics.” It’s not a flash of horror but the constant, aching reality for Seattleites who still pay attention to the NBA. When the Thunder capture the interest of the whole country, as they’ve deservedly done in the past three years, we’re forced to consider the image of our own disintegrating flesh.

Our only recourse is knowing that 30 years from now, it’s more likely there will be an NBA team in Seattle than one in Oklahoma City (Unless there’s  a zombie apocalypse, in which case Zombie Sonics will take on a very different meaning). It just makes no practical sense for an NBA team to be there. Will OKC erect a tent city for media, entourage and spectators during the Finals?

Woah, sorry about that petty and sneering sentiment.

(Very.)

But it seems I can’t help it, despite your magnanimous overtures.

So let’s just let’s leave it at this: enjoy the world of the living while you’re in it — it’s the only thing to do. And as you bask in the light of your perfect team, please don’t think that we haunt you from the shadows out of jealously alone. We’re also waiting to see when you’ll join us on the other side.

Then we’ll talk.

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cdub00 155 pts

"Our only recourse is knowing that 30 years from now, it’s more likely there will be an NBA team in Seattle than one in Oklahoma City (Unless there’s  a zombie apocalypse, in which case Zombie Sonics will take on a very different meaning). It just makes no practical sense for an NBA team to be there. Will OKC erect a tent city for media, entourage and spectators during the Finals?"

 

Sophmoric rhetoric in an aricle by douche bag Mason? SHOCKER.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 beckleymason 

I've put two challenges out to you below and yet you are too chicken to come in and answer them.  Stop acting like you know what you are talking about, you are a member of the media who wasn't smart enough to hack it in the math and science department.

beckleymason 6 pts moderator

 FF_pickups If your logic is that any team that ranks in the bottom 10 in attendance should be moved, 10 teams would be worthy of relocation every year. That makes no sense. You also have to account for television revenue, which is something that will always be hard to make up given the amount of eyeballs in OKC. However the new revenue sharing system and what should be a massive national TV deal will help.

 

I don't really understand why you think in this article or my responses in the comments has been an attack on OKC fans. I think the move was stupid, and simple economics back that up. Gate receipts aren't where teams make their money anymore, this isn't 1994. This is not an indictment of the fans in OKC, but the economics of the league. 

 

Thanks for trolling.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 beckleymason 

It's your own fault that they moved.  Read that again, it's YOUR fault that they moved.  Accept the responsibility.  You don't have nearly enough information to say what the best business move was, that's fact.  What local billionaires were interested in purchasing the team?  How much value is there in the message sent to other markets in "Support your team". How good of a basketball team will this be in the near future?  What kind of local television deals are being offered in both markets?  How much money is the new arena worth to the NBA? How much money will it cost in the future to the NBA if we allow Seattle to dictate the terms of building a new arena? etc. etc.

 

The point is that there is only one thing that we know...If Seattle had supported their team, they would still have a team.  Just do what OKC did and you would have this team but you didn't.  You didn't go to games and you refused to pay for a new arena.  You tried to call the NBA's bluff but it turned out that the NBA wasn't bluffing.  You (the fans), your local business men and your local politicians and local media are 100% to blame for this. 

FF_pickups 5733 pts

Beckley Mason:

NBA Attendance

2008 Super Sonics... 28th

2009 Thunder..............10th

 

Please explain?

Key Arena 5 pts

Please. Clay Bennet came out and told the fans they were leaving before the 07-08 season even started. Then they tanked their way through the whole year, finishing with the worst record in Franchise History. (20-62) You'd pay for that?

 

Ford Center, (now Chesapeake) was remodeled from 19,500 to 18,200. Why would they rip out 1300 seats? Because NBA money comes in mostly from: Courtside seats, Luxury Boxes and Private Suite concessions, National & Local TV Contracts, and Corporate sponsorship. Only the first 6000-8000 high $$ fans REALLY matter.

 

Sonics had two competitors, Mariners in 1999 with Safeco Field ($500 million) and the Seahawks in '02 with CenturyLink ($500 mil). Both have a lot of fancy suite & private areas, and better teams during that period (2000-2008). As well as the fact that there are a whole lot more things to do in Seattle than OKC. Add a cheap owner (Howard Schultz), who runs retail for a living and you have:

 

Franchise malaise. mediocre teams, low revenue. Add a poorly timed renovation request and you get: franchise relocation.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 Key Arena 

What a pathetic excuse you make.  Here are the rankings for the last few years.

 

2004.....23rd

2005.....21st

2006.....23rd

2007.....25th

2008.....28th

2009.....10th

 

Guess which year they moved to OKC.  2009. Seattle didn't support their team period.  It's the Seattle fans faults that they lost the team.  Accept responsibility.

Key Arena 5 pts

Pathetic is reciting statistics without ANALYSIS. In terms of seats full:

2004: 91.6 %. 2005 96.5 2006 94.9 2007 93.5 2008 (when they tanked/told the fans they're leaving town) 78.2.

 

 

The Pacers drew 14,168. 78.0 % full for 2012. Please jump on their board and tell them they don't "deserve" a team.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 Key Arena 

Indiana built them a new arena in 1999, you built yours in 1962 and then refused to build them another one.  Bad attendance and refusal to help build an arena = not supporting your team.  If you don't support your team, that's on you.

Key Arena 5 pts

Key Arena was completely remodeled in 1995 for $95 milllion. Sonics played in Tacoma for a whole year and still sold out. That's like saying OKC's arena was only done in 2002, and the current remodel project (only about $100 million) doesn't count. Combined with New Orleans recent $78 million deal and it's obvious: the NBA will bend over backwards for small markets, owner's whims,  and free government handouts. Face facts: OKC got lucky. Our price tag to keep the team here was four to five times larger than yours.

 

But keep posting. After you hit 1000 posts, do you get a coupon or something?

 

 

 

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 Key Arena 

So the OKC arena being built in 2002 is an insult?? LMAOOOOOO, you are trying to compare a 2002 arena to a 1962 arena.LMAOOOOOOOO  That's so funny, obviously you are too stupid to realize why you don't have a team.  I can't help you, I tried. 

FF_pickups 5733 pts

Beckley Mason,

Answer my question:

 

Why are you being so selfish?  You have two professional sports teams including the cadillac of sports in the NFL.  We have only one professional sports franchise, the Thunder.  You have 6.8 million people, we have 3.8 million people.  Why can't you just share, you have so much professional sports that you guys didn't even go to the games.  In 2007, you were 28th in the NBA in attendance.

lbst405 60 pts

Not everything revolves around population. How long have the Greenbay Packers been located where they are? The fact that Seattleites and Oklahoma citizens are on totally different sides of this matter makes us believe in opposite futures.

lbst405 60 pts

The Thunder are here to stay as long as Sam Presti is around, which will be probably longer than 30 years considering his age. Let the good times roll in OKC and, most importantly, THUNDER THE F%#K UP!

FrogFighter 6 pts

Mr. Mason, 

 

Care to explain how a less capable state managed to provide our team with the arena and fan base they needed....something Seattle couldn't do the last 2 decades?  We have averaged over 18,000 per home game, something that was not accomplished since the 1981-1982 season in Seattle.  Key arena could only hold 17,000 and the last time they sold out a season was 1998-1999. Your fans gave up on the team when they went a decade without filling the outdated stadium, your city and state gave up on the team when they refused to give a little more to fund renovations to that outdated stadium, and your ownership gave up when they realized the fans and the city/state stopped caring. Along came Clay Bennett and not a single local ownership group came to the rescue to save your beloved Sonics. You can point fingers and place blame anywhere you want but one day you and hopefully all other Sonic fans will realize that you gave up on your team; Not necessarily everyone but as a whole you gave up and have only yourselves to blame. 2 years ago I was at the Ford Center when the Lakers beat the Thunder in game six of the first round to end our season. I watched a full arena stand and cheer for the Thunder as time expired...we didn't stop cheering until every Thunder player had left the court. We cheered for well over 15 minutes for a team that had just lost a playoff series and I am sure at that moment I felt the same way about the Thunder that you felt about the Sonics. The biggest difference is neither myself or my state will ever give up on the Thunder. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

The fan you wish you could be

beckleymason 6 pts moderator

 FrogFighter FrogFighter (cool name!).

Glad you asked about this, I haven't explained representative democracy in a while. Consider this: more people could vote for a stadium in Seattle, and lose the vote, than exist in Oklahoma City. So because we have enough people who aren't interested in paying for a stadium, doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of thousands of people who would be willing to pay for it. Or that there haven't been people who have stepped up (Balmer, Hansen) but the deal had already been made.

 

I'm not sure why you feel so compelled to paint yourself as a victim and I suppose I disagree with your characterization of what happened in Seattle. Let's leave it at that.

OKClegacy 14 pts

 beckleymason but those hundreds of thousands of people couldn't be bothered to show up at the games?

As for what you call representative democracy, all that what you have said only means that percentage wise there are more basketball fans in okc... 

 

It goes without saying that there were thousands of loyal sonics fans that were wronged, but you need about 20,000 diehards that go to games to support a franchise and even with a considerably larger population seattle failed to do that. The fact that there are lying douche bag billionaires in the world, that my friend is a constant, the only variable is whether or not a city is gonna be there for its team when the team is down. In the end if you didn't live in a town full of fair weather fans this wouldn't happen. 

 

QED

FrogFighter 6 pts

 beckleymason I know a little about representative democracy. We elect a group of individuals who represent the overall view to iron things out before we the people ultimately decide what will or will not happen. Problem with your argument is the proposal was rejected by the state legislature and never went to public vote. Enough people had stopped believing in your team that your elected officials decided it was a waste of time to even vote on it. While on the topic of politics I assume you are aware that Oklahoma is a red state and generally speaking Republicans  "believe government should tax only to raise money for its essential functions". That being said we still came together and did what needed to be done. As for the 30 owners in the NBA...only 2 voted against moving the team and aren't these the guys that know best what it takes to support a franchise? 

 

I didn't mean to play the victim and I certainly do not feel like one but I guess in  way we are. It is like we found the team of our dreams only to have the abusive and delusional ex constantly and publicly try to smear us. Years later if given the opportunity it is safe to believe your state wouldn't even take the Sonics back, you don't want them back. What you want is vengeance, pity, and an opportunity to say I told you so. You personally may miss the team but collectively the people of Washington spoke when you let the team of your dreams walk. Be the bigger man and wish them well, I know 18,000 people that would welcome you to a Thunder game, hell I will even lend you a jersey. 

itstheMs 17 pts

Dear Mr. Mason, Some things just don't ever need to be said. Enjoy your self pity and stop threatening OkC from behind your wall of text. That is all.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

I thought of a good compromise.  We'll win championships in OKC and hang banners, etc. etc.  and the Sonics can pi$$ and moan and cling to their memories while curled up in the fetal position.  Is that fair enough?

cdub00 155 pts

lol at b.i.t.c.h boy and the fakers!!!

cdub00 155 pts

you are a f.u.c.k.i.n. DOUCHE. Grow up. Thats all.

BrianConnell 11 pts

I think what a lot of Thunder fans are not privy to is that there's actually a large contigent, I'd even say a silent majority, of former Sonics fans who aren't at all bitter towards the OKC ownership group, and wish continued success for the team just as basketball fans in general. You can't really knock Bennett for wanting to bring a team to his city and then running it incredibly well. Anyone with the resources and vision would want to make that a reality.

OKCZombies 36 pts

 BrianConnell Be bitter towards the ownership group, I don't care.  But don't knock the city itself or the people here.  Trust me when I say this:  We didn't want your stupid Sonics.  What people don't realize is that we loved the Hornets when they played here after Katrina.  We wanted the Hornets to stay, and they didn't want to go back to that hellhole of NOLA and the empty arena.  When that was denied us, we were heartbroken.  We love the Thunder now, obviously, and wouldn't have it any other way, but I'm curious as to if even the Thunder fans remember that feeling.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 OKCZombies  BrianConnell 

No, OKCZombie, you are 100% correct.  That was the general consensus. 

BrianConnell 11 pts

I wouldn't knock the city or the fans and I haven't. It's clearly one of the best home court advantages in the league. And again, I don't knock the ownership group either, they've been top notch. I'm happy the Thunder are doing well and I love watching the crowd inspire the team and vice versa. What I'm saying, is from what I've seen and the people I know most Sonics fans are respectful and pragmatic about the whole thing rather than being the whiny, bitter turds in the OKC punchbowl we always seem to be characterized as.

 

I'd much prefer both sides drop the whole discussion of shared history and just leave things be. My only qualm with the Phillips piece is I have my doubts about his actual level of fandom, and found it presumptuous and opportunistic on his part to appoint himself the group spokesperson for reasons outlined previously.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 BrianConnell 

Brian, this argument is akin to a Nazi saying some nazi's are good nazi's.  Sorry, you're still a nazi, I don't care if you don't condone the actions of the other Nazi's, they couldn't have done what they did if they didn't have the infrastructure of the group.  YOU BELONG to a group that is persecuting innocent Oklahomans like they are subhuman and they makes you a party to that persecution.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 BrianConnell 

You should be ashamed of the other Seattle fans.  If the majority of Seattle fans don't feel the way that the way the vocal majority do, then why don't the silent majority speak up?  Because what they say about us isn't fair, it's not right. You should ashamed of yourself for remaining silent while this tragedy is allowed to persist!

BrianConnell 11 pts

Maybe we trust Thunder fans and hoops fans in general to be smart enough to figure it out on their own and not sweat the dumb stuff. For you in particular, this seems to have been a huge miscalculation on our part.

OKCZombies 36 pts

 BrianConnell After reading my previous post, I realize it seemed like I was arguing with you.  I wasn't.  I was just kinda stating a point.  Be mad at the ownership group, fine.  But don't be mad at Oklahomans because we're happy with the hand we were dealt.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 BrianConnell Congratulations, BrianConnell, but it doesn't change the fact that people from your group keep attacking OKC and Clay  Bennett.  Clay Bennett is seen in OKC as a conquering hero!  He's the man that brought pro-sports to our town.  You have two pro sports teams we only have one, so please stfu and go watch your Seahawks lose some more.  We'll just stay busy winning championships.

BrianConnell 11 pts

 FF_pickups So...the point of your post is you admitting that you're easily trolled?? *facepalm*

FF_pickups 5733 pts

 BrianConnell Is 'trolled' a verb? smh

OKClegacy 14 pts

 BrianConnell Holy crap someone is classy enough to extend an olive branch and the village idiot up and pees on it. Sorry about that Mr. Connell, thank you for being the bigger man in all this.

Bry Bry 3209 pts

Oh, and you're welcome for the traffic and courtesy clicks. Be sure to send me a check for my share of your adchoices dollars for this week. Deuces.

Bry Bry 3209 pts

*cries a single tear.

 

There. I did it. I felt bad for you for just one second because the Sonics are better now than they ever were in Seatle.

 

Are you happy?

 

Now get over yourself and Zombie the Ef Up!!!!!

OKCZombies 36 pts

Dear Sonics fans, (That is, fans of things that are long dead and they can't just let it go, like Trekkies or other groups equally annoying.)

 

Please, whine more.  We care.

 

(Not really.)

 

Signed,

 

Thunder fans.

Landstander 776 pts

I would like to point out that the assumption of the available market *assumes* that Seattle was as interested in the Sonics as OKC is in the Thunder.

 

OKC doesn't have to spread its professional sports interest around.  If you like pro sports and live in OKC, chances are you are a Thunder fan.  A full-time Thunder fan.  The off season is the off season, not 'baseball season.

 

Seattle has a larger potential fan base, but I'd bet that OKC has a larger active fan base for the NBA -- if only because it's the only pro sport the city (and state) has.

FF_pickups 5733 pts

Seattle has a baseball team and an NFL team.  They need to stop being so selfish. 

Fuzzy Logic 632 pts

Why do writers seem to think that being self aware of their bitter "petty and sneering sentiment" somehow excuses it or adds substance to their otherwise empty rhetoric? You can continue to wait for us as long as you want. Not every entity that passes becomes a ghoul waiting in the shadows.

BrianConnell 11 pts

I don't think the writer is wishing it happen to the OKC fans as well, more so stating it as a possible consequence the same way unprotected relations with a promiscuous partner could lead to an untreatable std.

 

Aside from that, there hasn't been much discussion about the author or his intentions. I had a brief exchange with him on twitter in regards to his "(Not trolling, I swear!)" followed by multiple posts pointing towards all the following hatred being sent his way. It just seemed to me he was being disingenuous and cutesy with people he knew would be upset. His replies weren't abrasive though I did believe him to be playing coy, given the depth of his previous experiences with sports writing.

 

Further fueling this speculation was his OKC "mid-season" report - http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7634693/kevin-durant-russell-westbrook-midseason-report-oklahoma-city-thunder

 

See footnote 4, in which Phillips repeats the oft-misreported claim that Kendrick Perkins deleted his twitter post Blake Griffin facial, which was quickly debunked by Royce Young of DailyThunder and beat writer Darnell Mayberry back in early February. Phillips' report was published more than a month after the dunk took place. I would think that if he truly followed the team he would have known that, or at the very least taken advantage of the easy access to an ESPN affiliate to make sure his info was correct.

 

Instead what I'm left wondering/guessing is whether Phillips is a Thunder & NBA fan at all, or rather what it appears; a talented writer capitalizing on his hometown affiliation with the NBA's current 'it' team and stars to boost his own profile and page views.

BrianConnell 11 pts

Btw - 1st para 'writer' = Mason, 2nd para 'author' = Phillips

yayowulf 139 pts

Seattle fans need to come to grips with the fact that they cannot support multiple sports teams. The reason the Thunder are able to suceed financially is that they are the only professional sports franchise in Oklahoma. The reason I have no sympathy for Seattle fans is due to ignorant jabs like those at the end of this open letter. I guess Seattle is trying to build a new arena or update the one they have? Well have fun "stealing" a team  away from another city.

CarlosCarvalho 5 pts

"It laid bare the whole illusion of professional sports."

This is true ONLY in the USA. It's only by an historical accident that professional sports teams are privately owned corporations in the USA. In most other countries, professional sports teams are clubs, owned by their members (the fans OWN the club and elect management, literally) or in some European countries publicly owned companies. That's the reason you never heard of a professional soccer team moving to a different city, no matter how poor or ill managed it is. That's also the reason why Europeans and South Americans are so passionate as fans, compared to Americans; it's not a Broadway show that happens to be in your city, it's literally part of the city or neighborghood, part of your identity.

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  1. [...] Beckley Mason of HoopSpeak with an open letter to OKC: “That Clay Bennett could move a team to a city that would never be able to support a team like Seattle only made it much, much worse. There are more than twice as many people in Washington as in Oklahoma. Seattle’s TV Market, the metric that will increasingly determine how much money an NBA team can make, is two and half times bigger than Oklahoma City’s. By definition, whatever joy was created in Oklahoma was less widespread and widely felt than the pain in Seattle. And because it made no objective business sense in the long term, the move was (correctly) interpreted as Bennett, Aubrey McClendon and others simply taking because they could.” [...]

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